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tv   FBI Director Wray at Justice Department Lawful Access Summit  CSPAN  October 10, 2019 11:45am-12:07pm EDT

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governments are among threats to the system well 41% of republicans share that concern, 3 quarters of democrats and over half of independents believe foreign governments may interfere with us elections. 31% of people think the federal government has done enough to protect elections from foreign interference, 54% of republicans report having either a great deal or fair amount of confidence in federal efforts. only 16% of democrats in just over a quarter of independents agree. you can find all the resulting cleaning whether americans think presidential candidates should be required to release their tax returns and whether citizens should be required to show a government id. if the art director christopher ray spoke a justice department summit about efforts to catch sexual predators. he discussed the impact of encroaching technology on childhood education and sexual abuse.
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[applause] >> this past june in a new england town a cyber operative came in and talk to fbi agents and local law enforcement and that tip suggested that a 9-year-old little girl was being sexually abused. the abuser was using a particular apps to send out images of what he was doing to that little girl while remaining anonymous. our agents along with state and local partners contacted the provider using legal process. we got information that allowed us to locate that little girl in less than 24 hours, we obtained multiple search warrants, rescued her and arrested her abuser. in another case over the summer, a different child
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creditor use a different apps. they have to distribute it sexually was images, 112, one, 13 years old, responding to a tip agent serve legal process on that apps provider located in rescued those young girls in less than 12 hours. both of those cases could have ended very differently because without information from tech companies, both tips and responses to lawful orders they wouldn't have even known about those children and we wouldn't have been able to rescue them. i just gave you two heart wrenching examples, law enforcement receives millions of tips like that every year. success stories are great, but the landscape has been changing with the spread of user control
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default encryption providers, horrific images with encrypted data. the tips that allowed us to rescue those little girls, and the harm doesn't stop, the victims, those little kids are out there in during, only the tips, the information that could help us identify them disappeared. our ability to use legal process to investigate and save the kids in those images is eroding, all the evidence has been made unavailable through encryption that doesn't allow for execution of legal process including court approved search warrants. that is why we are here today, to talk about the challenges of default encryption and lawful
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access, and what we can all do together to find a way forward. today you're going to hear about other cases like the two i just mentioned. some of the stories will come from the victims themselves, survivors of abuse who can tell us firsthand about the sobering cost and consequences we all face if we lose the ability to keep people safe. those stories are hard to listen to it should be hard to listen to. no one should have to live or endure what those victims live through. hard for us to contemplate what those images show. horrific abuse, scarring, awful crimes against kids, even infants and toddlers, photographed and videotaped and followed him for years to come. if we don't talk about this as these real-life horrors, and if
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we don't do something soon to address lawful access problem it is going to be too late and we will lose the ability to find those kids who need to be rescued,. the ability to find the bad guys who need to be arrested and stopped and lose the ability to help the people we serve safe from harm. technology made life easier for the good guys, and it is easier for a wide range of bad guys including international and domestic terrorists, actors, opioid traffickers and child predators. like other criminals, child predators routinely rely on encrypted phones and laptops to store explicit photographs and exchange illegal media, contact victims and coordinate with
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co-conspirators over encrypted messaging platforms. these devices and platforms have become spaces where vital rules for child abuse, against trading and feeding that abuse, against threatening abuse victim struggling to make a normal life and no longer affectively be applied. we are at a turning point. some partners in the tech industry have been a huge help in getting us the digital evidence we need. facebook and some other tech companies employ thousands of people to help identify child sexual abuse imagery and notify the national center for missing and exploited children a vital partner you will hear more from later. that alone is an uncomfortable fact. the sheer volume of this keeps
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thousands of people and the law enforcement response. uncomfortable fact i still fact. facebook provides 90% of the referrals received by nick mick which receives more than 18 million referrals a year. any one of which might be a tip that leads us to the next predator. facebook is saving lives with those tips but there are other tech companies that have already chosen to blind themselves to the content on their platforms. those companies now provide few if any leads to law enforcement and we know their platforms host content involving abused children. the companies themselves just can't identify it anymore so they don't warn us about what is happening. some of those companies have millions or even billions of customers both here and abroad
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so there's a whole lot of abuse out there going on detected. unfortunately facebook could be headed in the same direction. facebook announced a privacy first plan in march and their intention is to make all communications on facebook and instagram end to end encrypted. if facebook carries out the planet will have access to metadata, for example the time the message was sent and it's recipient but not the content of any messages including attached photos and videos and when it comes to people who create and distribute child pornography it shouldn't be hard to see why timestamps and address blocks are poor substitutes as lead then certainly is evidence for the images and videos they are distributing. this is incredibly concerning,
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to put it mildly. when it comes to protecting children, we are at a real inflection point and we risk falling off a cliff. most of the tips that facebook currently provides are based on content with end to end encryption, those would dry up. facebook itself would no longer be able to see the content of its user's accounts and that won't just stopped the tips. it will prevent facebook providing content to law enforcement in response to the legal process. the content we need to find who and where a victim child is. the fact nick mick received 18 million tips a year shows we are not just talking about a handful of abusers. this is a huge problem and fighting it with metadata just isn't going to cut it. to conduct a search and bring criminal charges in this
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country the government has to meet a very high standard. to convict and even higher one, metadata will almost never meet either of those standards. an algorithm or ai might reveal suspicious customer usage that kind of information standing alone will rarely be adequate to make a case and bring the perpetrators to justice and even when it can we will find ourselves laboring only on the tip of the iceberg working on a small number of cases that authorities learn about while the vast bulk of the kids who really need us remain out of view, hidden below. the real impact would be to those victims, those kids. facebook would transform from the main provider of child exploitation tips to a dream come true for predators and child pornographers. a platform that allows them to find and connect with kids and
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like-minded criminals, with little fear of consequences. a lawless space created not by the american people or their elected officials but by the owners of one big company. this is not just about facebook. we need to make sure tech companies and all of them are not taking steps that will place content beyond the reach of courts or to blind themselves deliberately to what is happening on their platforms where so much child exploitation takes place. we want to make sure companies can't keep creating unfettered spaces beyond the protection of law because there are kids out there we haven't found and dangerous criminals we haven't caught who are already moving on to their next victims. what are we going to do about it? i am well aware that encryption is a provocative subject for some although i will tell you i
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get more than a little frustrated when people keep trying to suggest we are trying to weaken encryption a week in cyber security more broadly. we are doing no such thing. dispensing with straw men would be a big step forward in this discussion. cyber security is a central part of the fbi's mission but also one part of a broader safety net to provide the american people not only safe data, safe personal information, also safe communities, safe schools. we also have no interest in any backdoor, another strawman. we, the fbi and local law enforcement partners go through the front door with a warrant from a neutral judge only after we have met the requirements of the fourth amendment. we have got to look at the
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concerns more broadly, taking into account the american public's interest in the security and safety of our society and way of life and that is important because this is an issue that is getting worse and worse all the time. as fbi director i have visited all 56 of our field offices and i meet frequently with law enforcement leaders from every state in this country and from around the world and i can tell you that police chief after police chief, sheriff after sheriff, our closest foreign partners and key professionals are raising this issue with growing concern and urgency. they keep telling us that their work is too often blocked by encryption schemes that don't provide for lawful access so we are big believers in privacy and security, we also have a duty to protect the american people. that is the way it has always been, no technological advance or company's business model
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changes that fundamental precept but make no mistake, that is the path we are on now if we don't come together to solve this problem. to those out there who resist the need for lawful access i would ask okay, what is your solution? how do you propose to ensure the hard-working men and women of law enforcement sworn to protect you and your families actually maintain lawful access to the information they need to do their jobs. and who are left on rescued. and there is additional data security. i know on our end we started hearing increasingly from experts that there are solutions to be had that enable strong cyber security and lawful access and i believe those solutions will be even better if we move forward together so today we are going to hear from experts, if lawful
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access looks away from us. we will hear from state, local and federal investigators and prosecutors who see the impact of lawless faces on the safety of our communities. i can tell you from first-hand experience what a world without lawful access to content looks like. .. protect both our data and our families, our children. they are not up on stage today. today is about showing the human cost of technology that undermines the protections our kids deserve, but there will be many more discussions to come. let me be clear, we are not here to demonize tack, and we couldn't do our day jobs without technological tools. we know the concerns of some
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tech companies, about privacy and protecting their users data, are laudable. but with the context we can provide today, about how data security fits in with all the other flesh and blood safety needs of our communities, will be better able to forge ahead. some might view this summit couldn't come at a better time. lawful access isn't just a future problem. it's here now. so together, we in government, law enforcement, the victims advocacy community, and the tech industry have the power, the ability, and the skills to find a mutually acceptable solution. we put some of the brightest minds in the country on this issue, and we learned that it can responsibly be done. we are not prescribed in a particular technical solution. every company that instituting default encryption is different, and the companies themselves are likely in the best position to
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develop lawful access solutions. we all want safe, secure, private data. but we also want safe and secure communities. and we can have both. i really do believe that. so i hope you have a great conference. i look forward to ring some of the ideas that come out of today's discussions. thanks. [applause] >> retired general joseph votel former commander of central command speaks today about your security operations in the middle east. he's joining a discussion hosted by the middle east institute in washington, d.c. live coverage at 12:30 p.m. eastern here on c-span2. tonight we continue booktv programs showcasing what's available at the weekend on c-span2. tonight the scene is history.
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in washington, d.c. he spoke about social media and technology companies using in to end encryption as a threat it poses to the public. on the same day of his remarks he along with his counterparts from united kingdom and australia sent a letter to facebook ceo mark zuckerberg asking the company to delay plans for end-to-end encryption across its messaging services slighting public safety. [applause] >> good afternoon, everybody, or that morning. thank you for that introduction, see you, and thank you and your team for putting on this wonderful program. it's great to see so many members of law enforcement who are


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